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Why Greens Won't Side With Democrats

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Would you ever consider voting Green?

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The woman you won't hear about on the news.

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The Green Party could not have picked a better candidate to run for president. A former Democrat, Cynthia McKinney is by far the most leftist woman politician today.

McKinney has been around politics since 1986. A native Georgian, McKinney followed the footsteps of her father, a former Georgia State Rep. In 1988 she became a State Rep herself then she climbed up the political ladder and got a seat in the US House of Representatives to represent black constituents in Atlanta.

If there is one thing you should know about Cynthia, its that she is extremely outspoken and well-liked among "radical lefties." I'm not trying to offend anyone, but there are lefties that will debate you on issues you never even dreamed of. I'm talking about wild conspiracy theories about 9/11 and things like getting Bush and all his cronies to be tried in a criminal court for crimes against humanity. I know that many Democrats on the left, me included, may agree with the "radical lefties" in some of the things I just mentioned, but these "radical lefties" I'm talking about take those issues to a whole new level. They don't put up with ANY flip-flopping, they're extremely passionate, and they can organize a mass grassroots protest of some 50,000 people on Pennsylvania Avenue in a matter of hours. I know this because I was a radio reporter with Pacifica Radio and I covered many events that the Greens coordinated.

McKinney has been talking to these radical lefty crowds for years. The opportunity to run for the Green Party was only a matter of time. She has shared the podium with Nader, though I'm not sure if they're still great pals. You can Wikipedia Cynthia and learn that she has criticized Republicans and fellow Democrats like no one else has -- on the Iraq war, globalization, how Hurricane Katrina and Rita were handled, connections to greedy corporations, etc. I think the only person McKinney may like in the Democratic party is Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich -- who I often think is one step away from becoming a Green or an Independent.

The Greens have a very special friend - filmmaker Michael Moore, who doesn't describe himself as Green, but he is. Just take a look at his documentaries where Democrats and Republicans are fair game. After Cynthia won one of her re-election campaigns, Moore was quoted saying, "I'm glad Cynthia McKinney's coming back to Congress, and I'm glad if my movie helped make that happen." He was referring to his documentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11." Moore has also featured Ralph Nader in his films.

The thing you may not want to believe, its that this "radical left" is needed in American politics. These are the folks who make noise when things don't go well, that means they're ALWAYS making noise. True Greens see most Democrat leaders, such as Nancy Pelosy and Joe Liberman as "neo-cons." Many Greens also think that Democrats are no better than Republicans. This is important because it helps keep liberal Democrats on their toes. But Democrats are still not good enough for some of these lefties, so the Green Party offers a refuge.

What has been interesting in this election is that many of my Green friends were seriously optimistic about Obama. I suppose he was the first Democrat, aside from McKinney and Kucinich, that they really liked. They have been considering voting for him, but after Obama's move to the center, these Greens are abandoning the idea of voting for a Democrat. And, no, they won't even consider voting for Hillary Clinton. Michael Moore in his documentary "Sicko" tainted Clinton as a sellout to the pharmaceutical companies.

The Greens suffer from being completely ignored by mainstream media. Though they present a little over 300,000 registered voters, the media should still see it as its duty to cover what they do. I bet you that this year, McKinney won't even get invited to the presidential debates. She'll get the same treatment as Nader. This is unfortunate and it robs the American people from hearing other perspectives that could help them make better informed decisions. Outlets like Pacifica Radio and other community radio is all the Greens have, though with the Internet their outreach may improve.

All in all, our Green brothers and sisters and the Democratic Party have one enemy in common: radical-conservative Republicans. But that doesn't seem to be enough for Dems and Greens to unite. Imagine how great would it be if talented and passionate Greens and Independents joined the Democrat Party? It would be the goodbye to centrist agendas and wish washy Democratic values. The Democrats need reforms so badly and if it continues to morph into a Republican twin, it will lose the few great lefty Democrats it still has; folks like Kucinich, who help keep the party honest and closer to the people.

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From Hillary Clinton to Cynthia, I'm all about the ladies lately.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:12 AM EDT
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Definitely Cynthia over Hillary.

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  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":2191901,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

Why couldn't the Democrats just pick her when she was part of their party? A woman with that passion and energy could have been an asset. Too lefty for moderate Dems? Too bad!

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    #1.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2183443,"authorDomain":"caligiurijoseph"}

    Dolores, You always come on way to strong for me and I sometimes don't finish your articles because of that (consider that I may not be the only one) but you are articulate in your own style. This woman Cynthia Mckinney is indeed one of the brightest woman you have brought up that I read. I have seen her in action and personally would not volunteer to be down range as a target for her to unload on. Good choice on your part Joe

    PS good choice for anyone voting in GA as well

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:59 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2185648,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    Joseph -- Thanks for your comment. I totally hear you on how I came on too strong often, but I will take that as a compliment : ) Not everyone is my audience because I offer, like I state in my profile one-liner, "a new perspective." Sometimes I feel like Democrats are too soft. They don't approach issues with the passion that its needed. Our world is falling apart right before our eyes -- people ARE dying of hunger. People ARE living in poverty. Our Politicians ARE flip flopping. Our liberties ARE being eroted. I'm very alarmed! I have to say it how I see it. I hope you keep on reading and I'm glad you did like this one : )

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2185786,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    OH, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW THE MEDIA BURIES STORIES ABOUT THE GREEN PARTY!!! I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW THEY GET SOOOOO SILENCED!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS AWFUL!!!!!!!!! IT'S ANTI-AMERICAN!!!! IT'S UNETHICAL!!!!!!!!!! KARMA!!!!! (done screaming).

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    • 4 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2188231,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
    They don't put up with ANY flip-flopping, they're extremely passionate, and they can organize a mass grassroots protest of some 50,000 people on Pennsylvania Avenue in a matter of hours.

    Flip-flopping is one of my pet peeves. With that said, I don't necessarily think it's that terrible a thing. One thing I believe many Americans need to come to grips with is the notion that Politicians play games. Hell, politics is just one big game, however, it has real life consequences. Flip flopping in American politics is always looked at in a negative light. Any time someone comes forward and "changes their mind" on an issue we accuse them of pandering to (insert demographic here), and this is just my point.

    Flip flopping is only flip flopping if you as a person cannot see the other side of an issue. Generally, we don't see politicians flip flop on issues like abortion. We don't generally see people that say the support the Roe V Wade decision and then come out a month, week, or year later and say they don't. It's just to big an issue, and it's essentially black and white.

    The flip-flopping generally happens on "gray" issues. Issues where the politician can use expansive language and open ended ideas to explain how they feel. Specifically in Presidential politics, where we have men or woman trying to woo different groups of people at different times through out the process.

    What happens is people get so wrapped up in their support for one of these people, they only hear what they want to hear. They fail to "read in between the lines" as I like to call it. They obviously admit to talking the man or woman at his word, but then when that candidate "expands" their ideas to include the gray area that might not have been mentioned previously, the deluded voter takes offense and acts as though the candidate is "flip-flopping", when in reality, they just heard what they wanted to hear in the first place.

    I think the accusations of flip-flopping are generally slung around merely for political gain. It's generally the dissenting opinion that blames the "opposing" party of flip flopping. Sometimes, this is not the case, obviously. However, the American media and voters will use the term as though a candidate has truly lost their previous "beliefs" (or what the voter wanted to think their candidate thought) just because the candidate no longer fits in that perfect ideology they inaccurately placed him or her in to begin with.

    (Gotta run, I'll comment on the Green aspects in a while)

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2188359,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    Hi MartinEZ -- thanks for your insightful comment on flip-flopping. The thing is that Democrats flip-flop a lot, almost as much as Republicans. But, the big flip-flopping label is usually assign for Democrats because, they actually do flip-flop and I think they get more attention than Republicans when they do because Democrats are held on a higher standard in a way. It's like people expect more from us, ya know?

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    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2190252,"authorDomain":"dravidic"}

    Calling Cynthia and the Greens "radical lefties" does them a disservice. Granted she is strident on some issues and that has gotten her bad press, but look at the 10 Key Values that Greens and Cynthia stand for. A majority of Americans support them. Universal health care? A majority support it. End the war in Iraq? Ditto. End the erosion of our civil liberties and the use of torture? Even the Army supports that. Take more drastic measures to save the environment and curb global warming? Again a majority support it. Create green jobs by massively supporting renewable energy and conservation? The public is already there.

    If that's being a "radical lefty" then the American public is already there.

    They are expecting these things from the Democrats--but they will be disappointed.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2191548,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    The term radical lefty actually came from people I know who are Greens and such. They know they're not just liberals, and they know they're not just lefty. They know they're a bit more radical and as far I know they were cool with that. They are in the next level up from being simply liberal, in my opinion. Their ideology is more socialist than democratic. I've met Greens who actually were more like reds (communists). They hold Hugo Chavez and Castro in high esteem.

    These folks can teach us a lot. The majority are more informed than your average Democrat and more involved in their parties. They're radical in a good way.

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    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2191906,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

    "Lefties" are not radical at all. They hold the social center, moral center. Everyone else hold class centers, and therefore extreme, to the right, as false centrism, and hence the false designation, though accepted, as a term that explains their moral values.

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    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2192156,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    Eric, I got to say that I'm glad you are among the few in NV who do understand what I'm trying to say. Most Dems think that they're lefty enough, when in fact they could do more..and think a little more too about more in depth social issues, racial and environmental justice, nonviolent disobedience, and to look beyond capitalism. Thanks for your comment.

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    • 1 vote
    #6.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2192739,"authorDomain":"snowfallen"}

    @ Dolores M. Bernal While likely not your intent, you make it sound as though Michael Moore and not independent thinking is what guides those in the Green Party. The way you describe Sicko and Sen. Clinton is particularly inaccurate of what likely shapes Green's thoughts on Sen. Clinton.

    And while I am trying to give constructive criticism, I should mention that its the Democratic Party no the Democrat Party. Seems like a small thing, but I recently heard an article on NPR about how this slip is actually a decades old political slur of sorts.

    PS — Please don't infer that I am for or against either the Democratic Party or Green Party.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2192840,"authorDomain":"dolores"}

    Snowflake-Seven -- thanks a lot for bringing that to my attention (Democrat -ic) I guess its a common mistake. Glad to know you also listen to NPR : ) Love it.

    Didn't mean to say Moore guides the party...don't know how that may come across. I just know he is very supportive of the cause and very influential to radical lefties in general. Can't think of any other celebrity that do this -- maybe Susan Sarandon and her hobby. To be honest, though, I think Sicko did play a big part on why Clinton is not liked among these lefties. He did a great job making her the center piece of his film and painting her as a heart-less corporate maniac --- why couldn't he do a film about some other politician being like that. She was targeted.

    Anyway, thanks for your comment!

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    #7.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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